Maybe I should take the day off from work for this! Read below...
The nation's most famous anti-war activist is coming to Cincinnati.
Cindy Sheehan, the California woman who lost her soldier son in Iraq two years ago, brings her campaign to end the war to Cincinnati Friday.
When she does, there will be many in this community who share her loss, but not necessarily her views.
"I don't agree with her, but I believe she has every right to say what she wants to say,'' said John Prazynski of Hamilton, whose 20-year-old Marine son, Taylor, died in Iraq in May 2005. "My son and her son died defending that freedom.''
Sheehan, whose son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, was killed in Baghdad in April 2004, is coming to Cincinnati to conduct a "teach-in'' on the Iraq war an hour before a Friday night concert by Cincinnati Women's Choir.
Sister Alice Gerdeman, coordinator of the Intercommunity Justice and Peace Center in Over-the-Rhine, said Sheehan has had a major role in changing public opinion about the war in Iraq.
"She has made people aware not only of the pain and suffering American families like her own have gone through, but Iraqi families as well,'' said Gerdeman.
While most in the Cincinnati area's community of military families disagree with her position that the war in Iraq was wrong from the start and that the troops should be withdrawn now, many defend her right to say it.
"All I can say is that the guys in the military are doing what they do so that she is free to do what she does,'' said Keith Maupin of Union Township, the father of Sgt. Matt Maupin, missing in Iraq for more than two years.
"I don't think we can just sit here and wave our index fingers at the terrorists and tell them to behave,'' said Prazynski, an Air Force veteran. "All she ever says is that we should get out now. She offers no alternatives, no plan.
"I pray for peace every day,'' said Prazynski. "I don't want war. But people have short memories. They forget 9/11 all too easily. What we are fighting for is freedom.''
Her son is rolling over in his grave. She makes me sick and she is adding fuel to the fire. She and her kind are the enemies biggest motivation. She motivates the enemy to keep up the fight. She is causing more death of our boys and girls over seas. To me it's treason. But, what do you expect from a over sensitive woman. It is sad she lost her son, but it is ironic that he died protecting her right to run her big mouth. You should show up there and protest her Doc. :x
Yeah, well, like the guy said, "I don't agree with her, but I believe she has every right to say what she wants to say."
Most people in this neck of the woods can make up their own minds about the validity of going to war in Iraq. Every person I've talked to about this feel sorry for Cindy because she lost her son; some comment on her gruesome facial features, but that's irrelavent... Anyway, as parents, we feel bad for her, and wish her son could rest in peace. We choose to honor his memory and his sacrifice, just in a different way than his mother, who's milking her "15 minutes of fame..."
No protesting- we're just going to ignore her.
Well, I feel sorry for Cindy. She lost her son to some bs police action to pacify a nation of murderous thugs. It aint working, it aint going to work. I can't see wasting precious coalition lives on dragging this beastial part of the world into the 21st century. Let them slaughter each other if they like..whomever is left standing will sell the oil. If they engage in anti-western terrorism....one Trident sub will end it forever....and we get the oil anyway...
Quote from: clacoste on 06-06-2006 -- 08:27:33
Well, I feel sorry for Cindy. She lost her son to some bs police action to pacify a nation of murderous thugs. It aint working, it aint going to work. I can't see wasting precious coalition lives on dragging this beastial part of the world into the 21st century. Let them slaughter each other if they like..whomever is left standing will sell the oil. If they engage in anti-western terrorism....one Trident sub will end it forever....and we get the oil anyway...
I know the feeling. Wanted to turn that whole area into one big glass factory after 9/11. Yeah, maybe we can't bring some bass ackwards country around to modern living, but we do need to end the terrorist threat. Now, having said that I must ask myself how much effort that would take from our current position. Ah, hell, send in the SSBN.
As much money we have spent on the SSBN's we should use them for once.
Slaughtering each other is all well and good, but the jerks send their hatred over here, and that's not good. So, if going in to Iraq and Afghanistan prevents another 9/11, it's worth it to me.
Sure, any active duty or former military person will tell you we hate war. We train for it, we prepare, we study- but man, we hope we never have to use our skill to wage war on anybody. However, when you kill 3,000 innocent Americans on our soil, there will be hell to pay, and the U.S. military will deliver the invoice. That's the price we pay to have the Cindy Sheehan's of the world speak their mind. That's the price we pay to keep the terrorists from blowing up another skyscraper, the Pentagon, or a United 93. That's the price we pay so our families can live in a democratic, capitalist society, with freedoms guaranteed.
They brought their fight over here; now we're taking it to them on their soil. Mistakes have been made, to be sure, and I have not always agreed with the policies, strategies, or execution of the war. BUT, I can't argue with the results. There have been no terrorist attacks here since 9/11; Hussein is out of power and is being tried by his own people for crimes and attrocities he committed, and the Afghan kids are going to school- feels like progress. Nuking the whole area is a nice, simple solution, but there are long-term effects that may be worse with that option...
There were a lot of people that thought President Reagan was an idiot- until the Cold War ended, and we won. A lot of people think President Bush is an idiot; we shall see what the future decides about that...
Hmm...I suggest much increased vigilance has prevented more terror attacks in the US. The Iraq war has only managed to stir up the crazies in that part of the world (a tactic to draw this out for decades - making some powerful companies very happy I suspect). As a Marine Vietnam vet (admittedly in 1972 when it was winding down and no one wanted to be the last fool to die for a hopeless cause) I am extremely skeptical of the tactics employed. It all looks too familiar.
I've got a brother in Afghanistan who tells me the situation there is becoming much worse this year. I've got a Marine son who is headed for Anbar province. Sorry, but I can't see wasting another generation on a series of mini-wars that accomplish little, kill lots of young Americans, and make some older Americans very rich - while politicians milk the system with patriotic calls and grease their retirements. Nope, Islamic fundamentalism needs to be put back into its box and then nailed shut forever. Take the battle to them...and destroy them.
"Take the battle to them...and destroy them."
I can't help but agree with that. It seems like if we really wanted to do what needs to be done, the FULL MIGHT of the U.S. military would be thrown at them. I would have started with "shock and awe," and just kept it up until all of them threw their hands in the air and said "Uncle! We give up!" We would have given "Rolling Thunder" a whole new meaning...
Instead, relatively speaking, we've been playing with the kid gloves on, and I can understand the reasoning, but c'mon, it's causing the conflict to drag on and on and on, and like you say, more young men and women are dying, some needlessly. Let's rock their world, get it over with, help their new government get up and running, and c'mon home. Stop pussy-footing around.
Got an insurgent cell in Camelville? Then level Camelville- completely destroy it. Got another one in Goatherderville? Level it- completely destroy it. It won't take long until they get the message that we're not screwing around; we mean business, and if your village or city is harboring insurgents, it will be destroyed unless you kick them out yourselves. You'd better come running out of your house at the sound of the first U.S. Hummer to come down the road, point to a building and say "They're hiding in there. Go get 'em!" We will kill them all for you, and you get to keep your house intact.
Some will say that's a little heavy-handed, but it's more effective, cheaper, and doesn't last as long as the current methodology...
After two years, and a DoD payment of $250,000 to the "Peace Mom", Cindy Sheehan has not had the time or bothered to have a headstone placed on this young hero's grave. And, she doesn't even have to pay for one, the DoD will provide one:
"The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) furnishes upon request, at no charge to the applicant, a government headstone or marker for the grave of any deceased eligible veteran in any cemetery around the world. For all deaths occurring before September 11, 2001, the VA may provide a headstone or marker only for graves that are not marked with a private headstone.
Flat markers in granite, marble, and bronze and upright headstones in granite and marble are available. The style chosen must be consistent with existing monuments at the place of burial. Niche markers are also available to mark columbaria used for internment of cremated remains."
Apparently she can find time to protest on at least 3 continents, get arrested various times, go on vacation in Hawaii, have photo ops with the Marxists in Venezuela, but can't seem to find the time to properly mark her son's grave.
That's just downright sad. Guess she's struggeling for her fifteen minutes of fame. I wonder what people who really know her would say about her? Was she a good mother, or did she often put her interests in front of her sons? If she's going to neglect him like this in death, how was she in life? Just a thought.
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She's a lib and for lib's their cause is more important than their own blood.
I don't remember where I heard this, so I can't vouch for it's accuracy, but rumor has it that Cindy gave up her son Casey as a result of a divorce. She is divorcing again, and giving up her son from that one, as well.
Coby, this might give you an indication of what kind of mother she was/is... I have to agree with Coup- her "cause" and the 15 minutes of fame it's bringing her are what's important to her...
Cindy Sheehan is my idol........ :mrgreen:
She is my STOOL.
Venezuela Dictator Hugo Chavez has vowed to bring down the U.S. government. Chavez, president of Venezuela, told a TV audience:
"Enough of imperialist aggression; we must tell the world: down with the U.S. empire. We have to bury imperialism this century."
The guest on his television program, beamed across Venezuela, was Cindy Sheehan, the antiwar activist. Chavez recently had as his guest Harry Belafonte, who called President Bush "the greatest terrorist in the world." Chavez is pushing a socialist revolution and has a close alliance with Cuban dictator Fidel Castro. Regardless of your feelings about the war in Iraq, the issue here is that we have a socialist dictator vowing to bring down the government of the U.S. And he is using our money to achieve his goal! The Venezuela government, run by dictator Chavez, is the sole owner of Citgo gas company. Sales of products at Citgo stations send money back to Chavez to help him in his vow to bring down our government.
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Please decide that you will not be shopping at a Citgo station. Why should U.S. citizens who love freedom be financing a dictator who has vowed to take down our government?
Cindy Goes Country in Crawford
by Ivy J. Sellers
President Bush has a new neighbor moving out near his ranch in Crawford, Texas -- none other than the anti-war wingbat, Code Pink faster Cindy Sheehan.
The way the AP tells it, Sheehan's protest outside the ranch last year is what "reinvigorated" the anti-war movement -- right. Sheehan IS the anti-war movement. Now she's decided to use insurance money from her son's death to purchase a 5-acre plot of her own on which to hold Camp Casey III. (One wonders how little Cindy Lou possibly has the energy to set up camp when she's been fasting so steadily for so long?)
In the Gold Star Families For Peace newsletter sent out today Cindy explains:
With our commitment to being in Crawford every time that George goes on vacation (even though he seems to be skipping out on us a lot lately) we decided to buy property in Crawford to use until George's resignation or impeachment--which we all hope is soon for the sake of the world.
According to the AP, the group won't get much time with Bush this year:
[Sheehan's] anti-war gathering in Crawford is scheduled for Aug. 16 through Sept. 2. But Bush is scheduled to be at his ranch mainly during the first two weeks of August.
Apparently Sheehan didn't appreciate the country life much at first, but now it's really grown on the California native, or so she says:
I never understood how George Bush could pick such a place as Crawford to have his home. When I first arrived and set up camp there last August 6 th, I had even bigger misgivings...but now after spending an entire year there in every season, I totally understand. I even get upset now when people put Crawford down in any way---but these are people who have never been there.
Crawford is a beautiful place and Camp Casey has made it even lovelier. I feel so at home there. When I am able to return, I feel a renewal and resurgence of energy and hope. The sunrises and sunsets and star-lit nights are breathtaking and there is nothing like a cool (if rare) Crawford evening breeze to dry off the sweat and sweeten the soul.
In closing, Cindy claims to have scared the most powerful man in the world notwithstanding Camp Casey's "peaceful" nature:
[W]e are beginning to believe that he is frightened of us. It can't be because we are a physical threat to him: We have proven to be peaceful and non-violent--so it must be that he is afraid of the truth and too cowardly to, again, face grieving families and thousands of others who adamantly oppose his murderous policies.
If Bush really is avoiding Crawford because of Cindy and her crazy crew, it's because the man is just plain smart, not scared. Of course, it's hard to believe the president pays much attention to her in the first place...
And of course Cindy is still demanding another meeting with Bush. But of course! Even though most of us will never have the chance to meet with the president of the United States, her majesty, Princess Cindy, should be able to do so whenever her little heart desires.
At this point there is nothing I can offer about this woman. In general, I think these people have become so wrapped up in the United States being passive peaceful that they don't realize just what that means for our future. I'm sure Cindy and others like her will too late discover (if they get their way) that it was the wrong course of action. Personally I think this woman has already discredited herself, but the media keeps piling on the praise and so the general public thinks that she is standing up for what she believes. Yeah, because it couldn't be that all she wants is her time in the spotlight. Now, this may be real close to my other entry here, but I don't know what else to say about this woman. She's just so pathetic....
More Cindy 'Sheehanigans': Lying Her Way Into Crawford
by Ivy J. Sellers — 07-31-2006
Last week it was reported that Cindy Sheehan, America's favorite anti-war activist (to make fun of), bought five acres in Crawford, Tex., seven miles down the road from President Bush's ranch. Sheehan and her Gold Star Families for Peace forked over a grand total of $52,500 for parcel, which will become the official site of Camp Casey III (a fitting name considering the land was bought with insurance money from Sheehan's son Casey's death).
But what you didn't hear when the news broke is that Cindy and her crew got the land through lying to its prior owner -- yep, more 'sheehanigans' as Wizbang rightfully labels the latest Sheehan deception.
The Waco-Tribune has the details:
Longtime Crawford resident Bobby D. Ramsey sold a little more than five acres to Gerald T. Fonseca, a New Orleans native who said he was displaced by Hurricane Katrina last fall. Fonseca was in Crawford along with hundreds of other war protesters when the hurricane destroyed his home Aug. 29.
Fonseca, who identifies himself as a Vietnam veteran and a member of Veterans for Peace, had been living more recently in Eagle Rock, Mo., with relatives. He has been in Crawford the past four weeks, staying at the Crawford Peace House. [...]
While Fonseca's name is on the deed as the land's new owner, Sheehan's protest group will use the property for this year's Camp Casey, the peace camp named for Sheehan's son, Casey Sheehan, a 24-year-old Fort Hood soldier killed in Iraq in 2004.
In September, Fonseca said, ownership of the land will be transferred to Sheehan.
Ramsey, who soon may find unexpected neighbors when protesters move into a huge tent on the property he sold, said he was unaware before the sale that it would be used by Sheehan to host Camp Casey in August.
"(Fonseca) said he was going to build a home and, one day, a shop (on the land)," Ramsey said Thursday, speaking from his adjacent property in Crawford. "He told me that Katrina wiped him out.. . . . It didn't even occur to me that he could use it for this."
Fonseca confirmed he never indicated to his new neighbors that the land would be transferred to Sheehan, but he said that was always the plan. He said the $52,500 used to pay for the property -- a spread of rustic, wooded prairie with no houses -- came from Sheehan and her Gold Star Families for Peace.
Fonseca said he acted as "an agent" for Sheehan, negotiating the purchase and closing the deal with Ramsey.
Typical trailor trash. You can take the trash out of the trailor park, but you can't take the trailor park out of the trash. :|
Come on Coup I saw her picture hanging up by you desk last week.
I have a picture of her by my desk, as well. Handy for throwing darts at...
But Coup has one in a heart shaped frame.
I figured he'd have one of his favorite sheep- this is troubling to me...
I am sorry, maybe it was a sheep shaped frame with her picture in it. Or it could have been a Cindy Sheehan shaped frame with a picture of a sheep in it.......now I dont remember......I am so confused.
Quote from: bradley563 on 07-31-2006 -- 13:13:40
Come on Coup I saw her picture hanging up by you desk last week.
I use it to make me sick when I want to leave work early. :-P
Well, because of that, I just had to look here picture up through Yahoo! Now I'm gonna be sick...
I hope you took Pepto before you looked at her. :-P
Quote from: cobychuck on 08-01-2006 -- 10:05:12
Well, because of that, I just had to look here picture up through Yahoo! Now I'm gonna be sick...
Easy how you talk about Coups dream date.....
I'm not the one going out with Elton John.
Some things are just better left unknown. I think that would be one of them...that and Coup's sheep obsession...