Fluke 5500A TC Measurement Cal Problem

Started by Hawaii596, 02-07-2017 -- 10:41:38

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Hawaii596

Calibrating a Fluke 5500A. The step where in input 0 mV from 5720A using solid copper w/copper TC connector, I have been getting about a +4.3 Deg C offset. I ran the software adjustment. Zeroes in regular DC voltage output are all good. When I use a type J cold junction w/ Hart 9101 Ice Point, I get a good zero. When I measure the 5720A with either Fluke 8508A or HP 3458A, I get good zero reading. I ran fresh zeroes on everything (5720A, HP 3458A AutoCal, 5500A Zero). The OEM procedure even says you can use Type J at -200C, 0C, etc.  I get good numbers that way.  I've cleaned all the copper contacts with Caig Deoxit.

So I have a good zero output from the 5720A, good zero everywhere, except just the 0 uV/DegC setting on the 5500A. 

I even took the copper TC connector apart and scrubbed and cleaned it. The only thing I can still think of is that the connector itself has internal impurities, creating an offset. I may next try putting a different actual connector on the copper/TC cable.  And I have done this test many times before.

If anyone has had this problem, love to hear your thoughts.
"I often say that when you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind."
Lord Kelvin (1824-1907)
from lecture to the Institute of Civil Engineers, 3 May 1883

CalMachine

I've had a similar issue as you with our 5520 and the µV/ºC out @ 0ºC was looking off.  I think my issue was when I had set the internal cold junction offset, there was an error.  That was my situation however, not sure about yours.

May I ask what kind of copper are you using?

Hawaii596

I as using some solid copper twin lead (thermocouple type).  I think it was metal impurity in the wire, as I finally switched it out. I am using type R connectors (which are not made with R material, but with copper). I switched to quite a bit thicker gauge solid copper twisted pair, and an R connector.  After allowing some warmup time, it stabilized within tolerance.

I've never seen bad copper wire like that. It was causing a +4.7 Deg C thermal offset.  After switching out the wire, I finally got in tolerance readings.  Go figure, bad wire. I even scrubbed it, and had very good surfaces everywhere.
"I often say that when you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind."
Lord Kelvin (1824-1907)
from lecture to the Institute of Civil Engineers, 3 May 1883

microwave-kevin

Simple copper end to end is the way we do it

Hawaii596

That's how I have done it as well.  I use copper mini TC connectors and solid copper wire in between.  What I had found was the solid copper wire I was using had impurities. So even so-called "pure copper" can lie to you. That is the lesson learned for me.
"I often say that when you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind."
Lord Kelvin (1824-1907)
from lecture to the Institute of Civil Engineers, 3 May 1883