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Well as you would of known, The Democrates were the only ones to vote against the bill to stop Flag burning. Democrate = anti-American. The democrates believe that destroying the American Flag is okay. What do you expect from a bunch of yellow-backed, homosexual, no nuts girly men. When are the democrates going to start acting like Americans. They claim that it is a constitutional right, but the right to bare arms isn't. Pu$$ies. They make me sick. Grrrrrr....

  Neither the democrats nor the republicans are worth squat.  They are too busy "defending" America and lining their pockets and are slowly scrapping the constitution to justify any of their ideas.  That makes me mad.  I would sooner tolerate a flag burner than bush and his cronies.  They should be protecting the constitution instead of changing it as they please.
  They justify anything they do by saying it helps protect us from terrorists.  These idiots should realize they will not ever get rid of the terrorists and are just wasting time and money.  If they really wanted to get rid of the terrorists, the middle east would be a mirror by now. But no, they are just going to play around with these people until it is will be impossible to do anything.
Maybe bush could ride the first nuke down? Hmmmm is my displeasure showing? 

At least the Republicans don't try to make America a socialist state. I am a Constitutionalist. My only problem with Bush is his position on the Illegal Immagration problem.

I do have one other problem with Bush. I don't think we should be friendly with any Arabs what so ever.

Quote from: dallanta on 06-28-2006 -- 11:46:23
  Neither the democrats nor the republicans are worth squat.  They are too busy "defending" America and lining their pockets and are slowly scrapping the constitution to justify any of their ideas.  That makes me mad.  I would sooner tolerate a flag burner than bush and his cronies.  They should be protecting the constitution instead of changing it as they please.
  They justify anything they do by saying it helps protect us from terrorists.  These idiots should realize they will not ever get rid of the terrorists and are just wasting time and money.  If they really wanted to get rid of the terrorists, the middle east would be a mirror by now. But no, they are just going to play around with these people until it is will be impossible to do anything.
Maybe bush could ride the first nuke down? Hmmmm is my displeasure showing? 

I do agree that the Constitution is slowly being ground under by the slow wheels of "progress", that we are being stripped of what out forefathers carved out for us.  As for the war on terror, there may never be an end but what we have now is an opportunity to severly hamper their opperations.  Unfortunately we can't turn that area of the globe into a glass factory as much as I would like to see it done. 
    Now I'm not very knowledgeable to the details of this whole thing, from Clinton's inept handeling of terrorist attacks during his time in office, to Bush charging after those who toppled the Twin Towers.  I do know that if we give up too soon, that will be a red flag for those terrorist organizations they will interperete as weakness on our part.  We hang in a delicate balance as far as strategy.  When is too soon and when is too long? 
    I would like to know why you don't like Bush if you don't mind.  My curiosity is peaked.

He just don't like Texans.

LOL, I am a Texan, he is not!
Basically, here is my problem with bush.
  He takes it for granted that he has the authority to do pretty much what he wants.  He is not backing off, he admits no wrong, he says that he does have that authority and congress just whines about it.  There is no check and balance on bush.  They read into the constitution what they want and ignore what they do not accept.
There are the wiretaps, the searches without warrants, eavsdropping, financial monitoring, the port authority deal that fell through, the North American Union with bush, fox, and that guy from canada, and let us not forget the fatherland security, just to name a few recent ones.  In this one, bush agrees to provide support to "secure mexicos' SOUTHERN border".  What the %^^% He does not seem to care what the american people think. His actions have made it clear to me that he is not to be trusted. Yeah I know.  If you have nothing to hide it is not a problem. Many governments around the world have used that argument to justify their actions, even years ago in germany. 
   

So what is your suggestion on monitoring the financial movements of the torrorist? What about the terrorist communications? How do you suppose to monitor them when you don't know who they are? Number one it is impossible to monitor everyone. Unless your calling a suspect terrorist number I don't think you have anything to worry about. Bush is not concerned with you calling Dominos and ordering a large pizza. To obtian a warrent for every suspect call would be impossible and to late in some matters. So your suggesting that we do nothing to monitor suspected terrorist phone calls? The same with finances. I don't think Bush cares who your mortgage payments are going to. They are targeting suspected terrorist. The rules of war have changed. We would not be independent from England if we did not change the rules of war during the revolution. I will agree with you about the whole border problem and it makes me mad too, but you have got to get real with the whole terrorist monitoring deal. I am sure that if Bush didn't intercept a communication and the transfer of money that led to another 9/11 you would blame him for that too. You can't have your cake and eat it too. His policy on immigration makes me sick, but I back him 100% on the war on terror. I hear people complain about how he is conducting the war, but none of you can give a solution you just complain. If you have a better way we are all ready to hear it. We all hear the complaints , but no solution. No offense, but it sounds like the typical libral mantra to me. Complain, but have no better solution. The thought of you tolerating flag burning at all is sad to me. This whole thing sucks, but we cannot let it continue. If it was your family that was killed on 9/11 I bet your tune would be different.

I have to agree with Coup on how the President has conducted the war on terror, and he is right- the rules have changed.  The enemy isn't lining up and marching across a field of battle.  They're small, nimble, wired for high-tech, and financed well.  That means we have to play the game differently than we've ever done it before.  If the government listens in on a telephone conversation and it saves thousands of lives, that's fine with me.  Banking data?  Fair game if you're plotting to kill Americans.  Like Coup said, they're only targeting the bad guys when they get enough evidence to say "He's a bad guy.  Let's track his stuff."  Do they have the ability to track all my bank transactions and telephone calls?  Sure they do, but they don't.

Flag burning, well, that's a different issue.  Although it makes me sick when I see it happen, and I find the act of desecrating the flag morally reprehensible, I still see it as a form of free speech.  I may not approve of the way they protest, but I will defend their right to do it.  Cindy Sheehan is an idiot, but she can say what she wants.  Jesse Jackson can't find his butt with both hands, but he can say what he wants.  Most folks on this site are offended by Coup's love of sheep, but he can say what he wants.  Flag burning, however offensive, is their way to protest whatever they feel is wrong in their lives, and as much as I hate it, I have to let them have their say, just as they have to let me have mine.

Hey, Bradley's not offened for my affection for sheep.

  You got me there, I do not have any solution.  Yeah, maybe bush is doing the only thing he can, however, I do not trust them to limit or curtain any of our freedoms at all.  That is what the Constitution and Bill of Rights is all about.  It is not to protect us from foreign armies or terrorists.  It is there to state our freedom and to protect our freedom from anyone, and the includes the politicians.  If we only follow the constitution when things are nice and cool, then it might as well be scapped entirely because that is not what it is for.
  Actually I am glad I do not have a solution.  If I did, I would not be able to get the government to listen to me and that would make me crazy, or crazier.

OK, you guys win, partially. This evening I find myself taking bushes side.  That is scary for me.  The supreme court decision on gitmo is amazing!  Too bad they cannot tell the troops not to take any more prisoners.  Not sure exactly where they are going with this, but if they have to put them on trial in our courts, then we are screwed.  So, it is dam.. if we do and dam.. if we don't.
  Hey see!  My sea of glass idea is sounding better.
ok, guess I better have my metamucil and calm down

The real problem with the Supreme Courts ruling is that the prisoners will actually be eligable for bail. If you get one of these terrorist in front of a libral judge they will grant it. I doubt this will happen, but who would have thought that the courts would stop them from being brought before a military tribunal? We are getting screwed by the left! The left is so ignorant.

Not being a lawyer, I'm confused as to how the U.S. legal system has any jurisdiction over prisoners of war.  I always thought military courts handled that stuff, so I'm curious as to what authority the civilian courts have in this area...  If GWB is the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, the buck stops with him when it comes to anything military, right?  I would think the War Powers Act would give him a say in the proceedings of military tribunals...

The argument is that they are not prisoners of war.