SureCal Forum or Website

[dminesinger]

Guys and Gals,

Is there a SureCal Forum or website like the one that Fluke has for MetCal.

PapaBear

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[CalibratorJ]

I don't THINK there is one, but I know the guys at SureCal are always happy for input. Anytime we have had issues with our TEGAM setup they have been very very quick to help us.

What's up, looking for something specific?

[dminesinger]

I don't THINK there is one, but I know the guys at SureCal are always happy for input. Anytime we have had issues with our TEGAM setup they have been very very quick to help us.

What's up, looking for something specific?


I have to agree a 100% the guys at NGC are great. But, I looking to start writing some of our own procedures. And it's been 20 years since I programed.

PapaBear

[CalibratorJ]

Cool, good luck.

We don't really have the leeway to write our own procedures.

Hope you can find some help though. I know less than zilch about programming. Mostly just enough to mess it up royally 

[dminesinger]

Cool, good luck.

We don't really have the leeway to write our own procedures.

Hope you can find some help though. I know less than zilch about programming. Mostly just enough to mess it up royally 

That's part of the fun working for a GOCO. I can use commerical software and write programs to do the AFTO or TB's. Wish the Army. Air Force and Navy would go to one procedure and one Secondary Lab. And one set of standards.

[RFCAL]

We don't like using surecal here because there isn't any uncertrainty budgets included,especially for power sensors.

[BWooster]

Sorry about replying to this one so late, but the last answer is not correct.   SureCAL has the option of producing a very detailed error budget for power sensor calibrations.   It is not obvious at all that this is possible, so I understand RFCAL's mistake.

On the uncertainty tab, there is a check-box where you can direct SureCAL to save point-by point uncertainty calculations to a file.   This file will give detailed results of the components of the dynamic uncertainty calculation.

I'm not sure when this was added to SureCAL. . .  it was there in 2006, not in 2000.

For support of the SureCAL RF power sensor package only, there is an RF power calibration discussion board  at geneva. tegam. com/forums.

[TBolt]

  I purchased several modules from SureCal.  I purchase the DPO7254 module an it does not even come close to checking the full spec's of the scope.  We also found errors in the tolerances.   Is there a way to make changes and add additional parameters? 

I have been modernizing my lab for the last 5 years and purchased the Tegam power sensor cal system which came with SureCal.  I figured I would go ahead and try some of their other modules and frankly, have been a little disappointed in them. 

We feel slightly cheated! Is it just me or did I miss something?

[rjf1957]

We purchased the Power Sensor package and with it, the Programming Support package.  The thinking was that we could modify the code in the procedures, and / or add code for specific tests that we deemed necessary, like we do with MetCal.

Later we purchased the DPO7254 module, and like you, we found it to be inadequate.  So we tried to modify the procedure only to find out that the code is locked, and the only thing you can do is start from scratch, other than adding or subtracting tests that are listed in their module.

Bummer  :-(

[CalLabSolutions]

We have a complete DPO7000 Series Scope procedure available in MET/CAL.  The are 100% based on the manufactures written procedure.

We have also developed a standalone power sensor calibration package. It is feature backed and able to do all of the required tests on the Agilent Power Sensor.  Complete with 17025 uncertainty  We support several hardware configurations including the Tegam 1805, 1805, and the new 1830.

For those of you who will be attending the Air Force World Wide, look for us there.

[RFCAL]

Surcal always has left a lot to be desired.I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.Although Metcal has its problems,it is one of the better platform packages on the market.With Cal Lab Solutions writing your programs,you can't go wrong.We are 100% Metcal for all Scopes,and about 50% Metcal on the higher RF end.The rest is Agilent TME.

[TBolt]

Thanks for the replies, I thought I was missing something.  I may look into the other s/w's.  I currently have Fluke MetCal too.

I may have to get one of my tech's to look into it.  I have the Gold support so should be able to down load it.

Thanks again.

[RFCAL]

Think again! We were also Fluke Gold--Their programs never work and it takes weeks to get them fixed.Or,you have to have the ETE they are calling for.We have since given up on Fluke Gold and entrusted Cal Lab Solutions--Problem Solved!!

[SureCALsupport]

TBolt/rjf1957,

We at Northrop Grumman SureCAL strive to deliver top-quality software that meets or exceeds our customer's needs.  Our Calibration Procedures are based on the manufactures' published Performance Verifications and Specifications at the time they are developed. 

We take great pride in the relationship and trust that we build with our customers.  Imagine our dismay when we were informed of the postings on this website.  We would have very much wanted the opportunity to address the issues you brought forth on the website, but have no record of any issue being reported to us by anyone from your company. 

Please contact us so we have a better understanding of the problems/issues, an opportunity to fix the problems, and above all, keep you as a satisfied customer. 

Best Regards,
Robert Schmidt
Lead Software Engineer
Northrop Grumman
SureCAL Products

[CalLabSolutions]

We are a small operation dedicated to providing a top quality product. Our procedures may seem a little pricy, but our procedures cover every single test in the manual, including all the options. We also do it quickly and efficiently.  A good example is our 3325A/B procedure runs in 45 Minutes flat (every single test point in the manufacturer's manual).

I think that is what RF_cal and some of our other customers like about our software; We have taken MET/CAL to the next level.  We have a driver model that allow us to build procedures with flexibility in standards.. And we develop our procedures to run in a Test Selection Mode allowing the operator to select what test he/she wants to run.

I think when it comes to RF and Microwave.  We are both providing solutions that get the job done (or we wouldn't be in business).  The fact of the matter is, there are only two companies listed on Agilent's site for products not supported by TME.  Cal lab Solutions and Sure Cal.

http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/editorial.jspx?cc=US&lc=eng&ckey=768940&id=768940

Mike Schwartz
Cal Lab Solutions