What is the next best thing to a Agilent 3458A?

Started by USMCPMEL, 06-20-2012 -- 13:59:26

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spanishfly25

Quote from: CalLabSolutions on 06-29-2012 -- 10:24:22
Quote from: rjf1957 on 06-29-2012 -- 08:24:46
Different tools depending on the job at hand.

I think that says it all, the right tool for the job!  And if you are going to do everything, you need everything. 




I agree that some times we need the right tool for the right job, but we can't get everything, cost too much money and space. I prefer to learn all the capabilities of the equipment on hand and manage with that

Squire

Quote from: RFCAL on 07-07-2012 -- 09:47:50
If one knows how to use the 3458A properly,you will not need another system voltmeter. And no, I don't work for Agilent.

I agree totally. 

Also see measure's revised definition of specmanship.

WestCoastCal

Attached is a comparison between the Transmille 8081 90 day relative specs to the HP 3458AOPT002 90 day relative specs.
I included some Calibration Tolerance cell information as follows:
1. If the TAR value is 1.0:1, they are roughly the same accuracy. (There is a little "slop" in the ratio calculation due to resolution)
2. If the TAR value is greater than 1.0:1, then the Transmille 8081 is more accurate.
3. The EMU value is the ±error of the Transmille in units of measure.
4. If there is no TAR and EMU values, then either the corresponding ranges do not match up or I made a mistake (I haven't spent alot of time on this at all)
Conclusions:
DCV and ACI, the 8081 is more accurate.
ACV, the 3458A (Sub Sync sampled) is more accurate up to the 100 V range (with a couple exceptions).
DCI, the 8081 is more accurate up to 1 A.
Resistance, the instuments trade off with each other as to which is more accurate.

USMCPMEL

What is a Transmille? Never heard of them. How is thier track record?

rjf1957

Transmille is a manufacturer of precision meters and multi-function calibrators. A United kingdom version of Fluke.

http://www.transmillecalibration.com/
Robert Forsythe
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CalLabSolutions

I have talked to a lot of labs who have checked out their products.   Then seem to be pretty good. 

Mike

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Hawaii596

I haven't had time to read the entire thread, so I don't know if this is a re-run.  There is the Keithley 2002, an 8.5 digit.  It isn't quite as good as a 3458A, but has some pretty good specs (I think, lying between 34401A and 3458A specs).  It is smaller footprint as well (half rack width).
"I often say that when you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind."
Lord Kelvin (1824-1907)
from lecture to the Institute of Civil Engineers, 3 May 1883

scottbp

Isn't the Transmille 8081 supposed to be an updated version of the Solartron 7081 (much in the same way the Fluke 8508A is an updated Datron 1281)?
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Ronic

Given the chance, I'd always go with Agilent products.
I'm a previous employee of the Roseville, CA calibration lab and I know, first hand, of the dedication and energy put into the quality and traceability of each piece.

michthai

Not sure; but, I would say that Transmille = Datron.

Chad Dodds

Quote from: jimmyc on 06-25-2012 -- 10:10:26
because then it would be a 5720.  the 5522 actually has a worse capacitance spec than the 5520 due to the input protection fuses.  (if i heard the sales pitch correctly)
Capacitance specs are the same between 5522A and 5520A, although one of the range's changed slightly: 5520A goes down to 190 pF, 5522A goes down to 220 pF.

USMCPMEL

Why can't Fluke just make a 5720A with amps to 20 like the 5520a????

Bryan

I think rhe 5700/5720 should be able to use a 5220A amp to boost current.  I have never tried it myself.  It's menu allows you to specify one amp for voltage boost & another for current boost.

griff61

Quote from: Bryan on 10-29-2012 -- 12:15:54
I think rhe 5700/5720 should be able to use a 5220A amp to boost current.  I have never tried it myself.  It's menu allows you to specify one amp for voltage boost & another for current boost.
5725 amp only puts out 11A
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griff61

Quote from: USMCPMEL on 10-26-2012 -- 13:32:06
Why can't Fluke just make a 5720A with amps to 20 like the 5520a????
Because then it would only be able to sell you one calibrator...
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